Plus, director Todd Phillips says the first movie made it clear Arthur was never the real Joker.

At the end of the film, Arthur Fleck rejects his Joker persona and owns up to his crimes.

He was never the “real” Joker.

There is a “warmth” to Arthur’s fate, Phoenix toldIGN.

“There’s a warmth in that scene, which is nice.

And it’s a pretty good setup,” Phoenix said.

“I like to think he died at peace in a way being himself.

The kid says to him, ‘You want to hear a joke?’

And even though he thinks maybe it’s (Lee) downstairs.

“But I always think that’s such a beautiful moment where it’s like Arthur still has hope.

I think Joaquin is so beautiful in that scene.

It’s such a small nothing.

I mean, beyond the death thing.

“He’s showing appreciation for the comedy and appreciation for putting yourself out there.

Something nobody ever did for him in the first movie in some ways.”

“What kind of geriatric Joker is going to fight in the future?”

“It was this idea that maybe this isn’t THE Joker.

Maybe this is the inspiration for the Joker,” he said.

We put things on that person that maybe they can’t live up to,” he said.

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